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Politics in the field?

KarenMKE_75
By: KarenMKE
Mood: tired
Date: 04/03/2008 15:29:59
Music: None


Why does it seem there are two different types of groups out there: the "politically"-made groups and the "group"-orientated groups? It's like the whole Republican/Democrat thing we deal with on a day to day basis, but why is it in our groups?

Upon talking with people from IAH in regard to how their groups run, I have seen one consistant theme: political groups don't work well.

What do I mean by "political" groups? To me, in my opinion, these are the type that 1-2 people are designated to run the group. They tell the group what they're doing, when they're doing it and how they're doing it. They are also the ones that overlook all other activities going on amongst the members to ensure the "best" for the group.

My idea of a "group" orientated group is one where the ENTIRE group has a say in something. That before decisions are made, they are brought to the table and discussed so everyone's opinions are intact.

Now why do I feel political groups do not work? Differences of opinions for starters. One person may not like how somethings are done, but once their opinion is brought up, it's quickly denied with two options: deal or get out. Second, they want to be in control of the group's schedule, so if it doesn't work with theirs, oh well.

Let me first state here: not everyone's schedules/lives run on the same page. Of course not. But in a way, if you want to be a political leader in a nonprofit organization and want to grow, you need to be available for when it needs you the most.

What about these groups who work together? How effective are they? From what I've seen, they work well. Opinions and thoughts are all shared. Majority rules. End of story.

This has been my thinking for quite some time. I understand some order needs to be there to ensure the professionalism the group wants to have, but at least put the more responsible party in charge then to get things done.

Otherwise, no one moves forward.

What are you opinions?







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From: rockman
04/05/2008 00:16:48

It all boils down to style of leadership.  If the group leader, or in my groups case, the coordinator is an authoritarian and rule with an iron fist, it will probably chafe on others.  If the coordinator includes the other members in decision making, more a democratic process, it seems to work better.  But there must be a leader to have the final say, or total chaos ensues, and soon nobody wants to agree with anything. 

Just my opinion.



From: KarenMKE
04/03/2008 18:28:44

Alan, I agree with much of what you said. There should be some responsible party to get the group through things when it gets tough. I just don't like seeing the power go to their heads and letting it semi-destroy the group in itself. Everyone is different, and there are different opinions, but at least try to have a majority vote.

And yes, Davtrav and Wildflower, it is all about seeing what works and doesn't for the person themselves. If they have a conflict with a group, then find someone else to work with.

 

And um...Lemberger....I voted for you a long time ago, but there was a hanging chad. LOL ;)



From: Alan
04/03/2008 16:45:11

I agree that all should have a say.  However if there is no leadership how is anything decided upon?  What if everyone in the group has a different idea of what should be?  Does anything get accomplished in that environment?  Lack of direction leads to chaos.

JFK once said..."All too often we enjoy the comfort of an opinion without the discomfort of thought."

I'm not saying that group leaders should be cruel or behavior like a tyrant.  However I do believe that there needs to be a part of the group that insures the groups agenda is followed along with group protocols and so forth.

Maybe the trick is to find a group that matches your goals and ambitions.  For instance if a person likes to talk, giggle, scream and goof off at an investigation, then maybe they should seek groups that aren't very serious about what they do.  If someone believes everywhere they go is haunted, then likely a group of scientific thinkers isn't the group that person should hunt with.

I find that many investigators methods differ much from my own.  I find there are many investigators who see a ball roll across the floor and immediately call a place haunted without so much as checking to see if the floor is level.  They will see a door open and never so much as check and see if there is an issue with the door.  Is it out of plumb?  Is there a problem with the latch?  I don't fit in well with those kinds of groups so I don't hunt with those groups.

It's all about finding people you agree with.  People should not go into a group expecting the group to change just to suit them.  Get to know a group before making the decision to join them.



From: wildflower
04/03/2008 16:23:22

 Karen  you go girl.    People learn and change some for the better and others well  you know how it go's.   It is most certainly possible to have a group that gets along quite well in all aspects.   I do believe rules from the very get should be drawn up as guidelines  for all and by all included.   However know that you can not change a person.  So it is best to choose those whom are not self centered  because in all due reality  that is the root of control issues and all else that is negative.   know the traits   jealousy, an attention seeker, insecurity, gossiper, etc.  Those are the ones you do not want in a group if you are trying to establish one which is unfied.

 



From: glider
04/03/2008 16:20:03

I am a group of one, and man do we have in fighting.

Steve



From: Davtrav
04/03/2008 15:57:12
Its human nature. Bare with it or move from group to group because its in every group.


From: lemberger
04/03/2008 15:42:33
Vote for Lemberger!








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