"Christians" Bashing Catholics + some Catholic Deliverance Differences

By: Ken_Deel Mood: distracted Date: 04/08/2008 10:11:17 Music: None

Can Christians Unite?

(Warning: This may offend some people, my goal is to NOT dumb down the facts simply to be "Politically Correct"! )

If you surf around the web you find some ignorance that is very offensive about the Catholic/Orthodox faith.

This same ignorance separates these two Christian denominations when it comes to methods of "Deliverance/Exorcisms" and "Demonology".

Over at: demonbuster.com

where we read:

Even ’Pagans’ disagree with such statements as this on Demonbuster.com:

on that text Kerr Cuhulain (Witchvox.com) comments:
 

I see true ignorance from these other denominations. I had seen in with former team members whom I have worked with.

A prejudice, as usual based on "Ignorance".

Reverse engineering the bible, and re-translating it creates another interpretation of scripture. Realize the bible is an incomplete book, as some said over 5000 scrolls were lost in a fire under Emperor Nero. That is 5000 less scrolls that would outline the faith better in one book! So that old notion "That’s not in the bible" doesn’t apply especially when it was from a bad translation or a bible altered in anyways from the original Greek text.

Now I will try to outline the differences between Catholic methods and (some) Protestant:

Since this still is a problem I am thinking I may Talk about it in the book,
is the way some denominations are so "Anti-Catholic" still even today. I feel much of it is pure ignorance. The main issues I will go over that applies to "Deliverance" are in these of Catholic/Orthodox faith:

1. Intercession of Mary and the Saints. The difference between
"Honor and Venerate" (as we do Mary and the Saints, and "Worship
and Adore" as we Do Jesus. Don’t judge all because some tend to take it too far!

2. Crucifixes - versus Crosses.

Many fundamentalist fear this may be what was referred to as a "graven
image", Jesus on the cross on a necklace, rosary, crucifix on the wall. The Demonic
will recoil at a site of a crucifix, a plain blank cross. Most often no reaction.
It varies if it was blessed or often carried on often oneself especially when
prayers are said. (Although one may find confidence and faith in ant object of sentiment, the object itself is nothing of power against the demon as the crucifix is.
However the image alone of the crucified savior repels demons, even the
higher ranks demons which may endure the metaphysical pain it causes, still
will have a threshold of weakness where they can not stay exposed full front,
in proximity of it for long. Learn from other who have experience this fact
first hand!

3. Holy Water – blessed objects.

Universally speaking, praying over object can energize them with positive
energy of Jesus/God. A blessing is directing this energy (graces) to that
object, place or person. Water is a pure element and in itself already positive
force against evil spirits. Blessed it is charged with even more power. A priest upon ordination is given a special gift in "blessing". So the significance of a Priest’s blessing rather than laity.

4. Baptism - infant Baptism is important enough for it to be a key question
when we ask about a child whom may be affected by negative spirits.
Beyond a mere, anointing, christening, or blessing a Catholic Baptism for
example has a "minor exorcism" built in to break any possible attachments.

Talk about giving a kid a fresh start on life!

5. The Rosary – Hail Mary

I have often Said in itself, the Rosary is a one prayer fits all. Which means
daily rosary can keep one on the right path in life (f said right) to where our
true needs will be met alone. This includes protection from evil spirits.
The Hail Mary is made up of Quote from Scripture primary.

"Hail Mary Full of Grace, the Lord is with thee"

Said by the Angel Gabriel. Blessed are though among woman and Blessed is the fruit of Thy Womb Jesus" Said by Elizabeth when Mary
visited her to find she was expecting a baby (John the Baptist).

"Holy Mary Mother of God, Pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our
death amen"

Vaguely remember reading this was said before Mary’s Assumption by one of the Apostles. The last line is key. The last battle we wage in life is mono-e-mono with
demonic entities, who take one last chance at steering or hearts away from God.
Some NDE’s has said Mother Mary appears and her bright light run off these ravaging
wolves from the persons bedside. Mary is also considered the one to take place where Lucifer one sat, as the highest angel in heaven.
In the prophesy and the old greek text it states (Genesis) "She shall Crush they head and
he (Satan) Shall Lie in wait from HER heal". This is why you see Mary standing
on the head of a serpent on some statues. Satan brought the fall of man through a Woman so through A Woman will god bring the fall of Satan.

As I mention Crucifixes recoil demons, pictures that are divinely inspired work
as the Immaculate heart image, also are both an object of hatred and fear for the
demonic. Interestingly, this has revealed itself even before the reason was explained.

Bad experiences from hard core, bible pounding, fire and brimstone Christians, have been counter productive and drove people away from the faith. And Unfortunately the core belief that go with it as well. Where it should only create in the least an aversion to the PEOPLE who deliver such negativity. As I made a case once in an online forum.
One can not argue that at least 8 of the 10 commandments are a great set of universal rules to live by. Least we forget "Love thy Neighbor as thyself". They are guidelines as to how to treat others. What I went on to say was that we should not let a bad experience which hard core types steer us away from the reality of demons.

Also do not let you faith detour you away from the truth. These are inhuman, malicious entities, evil by there very nature. No matter if you place a ’fallen angel’ original on them or not. It should be understood that their behavior alone suggest that they are fallen angels. And we rely upon this piece of information to better understand how they infest ones lives. From Temptation to Possession. So as we find that all of the Christian Denominations do not agree on Demons, and the belief varies enough to say they are missing the whole picture. As I said, one point here is that the bible is an incomplete book. Most certainly, it would be absurd to believe all of the Christian Theology and teachings are in a bible so many short of pages? This is why a bible only teaching can be lacking, even some key elements.

(I know this isn’t politically correct to say this)
Then you had a man who modified the bible, some consider a hero. But in truth one who modified the bible from the compilation in the 5 century.
Thus, an even more incomplete bible, also words were inserted that distorted the true meaning. The King James first bible was believed to have over 20,000 errors within it.

I often wondered why they would build from the Lutheran bible and not go back to the Bible compiled in the 5 century to re-translate it properly?

(Example: Look at the New King James versions, and how they realize that a word meaning "ALONE" in Romans 3.28 was not in the original Greek text)

I make this point in saying that some fundamentalist Christians are judging Catholics/Orthodox, unfairly based on their own derived interpretations of the bible…

Second, they are missing some key and very effective methods because of these ’interpretations’. (i.e. using Crucifixes, holy water) I say don’t ignore what works simply because of what your preacher taught you about us evil "Catholics" when you were a kid...