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18
Apr/2008

IT IS AGAINST THE LAW TO SPEAK TO THE DEAD
 
.....if you take money for doing so.
 
Here in the UK and Europe they are discussing a new law in the EU Parliment that would make speaking to the dead a crime. Thought some of you on IAH may be interested in this.
 

BBC NEWS


There may be trouble ahead

















 





















 


































By Finlo Rohrer and Sarah Bell










BBC News Magazine















































A change in the law could mean mediums, psychics and healers face
prosecution if they cannot justify their claims. Spiritualists are
delivering a mass petition to Downing Street and complaining that a
genuine religion is being discriminated against.




 






    Madame Sosostris, famous clairvoyant,









    Had a bad cold, nevertheless









    Is known to be the wisest woman in Europe,









    With a wicked pack of cards.













Whether it's TS Eliot or Shirley Ghostman, the world of the medium has been gently drizzled with ridicule for some decades.









But now psychics, healers and spiritualists fear a new threat. Not gentle ribbing, but the long arm of the law.





Parliament is about to debate measures that will see all forms of
paid-for paranormal activities
fall under the new Consumer Protection
Regulations. As well as tackling a raft of more mundane commercial
sharp practice, these regulations will also replace the Fraudulent
Mediums Act 1951.












































SPIRITUALISM
















Seven principles











Practised since 19th Century











Believe in god











Believe contact with dead is possible











Many mediums are not spiritualists








































And some mediums are not happy. Under the old legislation, it had to be
proven that any accused psychic was setting out to commit a fraud. The
first case was a man in 1952 on a charge that he did in "purporting to
act as a spiritualistic medium, unlawfully use a certain fraudulent
device, namely, a length of cheesecloth". He was acquitted, setting a
pattern for the last 50 years of very few prosecutions.

Under the new laws, some mediums feel they will be
obliged to prove what they do. And when you're in the business of
contacting spirits in the afterlife, that's not easy.

At Battersea Spiritualist Church, the new laws mean
visiting medium Bill Rae is peppering his session of clairvoyance - for
which there is only a voluntary collection - with disclaimers along the
lines of "this is not science" and "this is just an experiment".









Spirit world








The clairvoyancy session is like a game of psychic battleships. Rae
fires off little salvos. Most shots miss, but many hit, generating
wonder in the congregation.

He speaks to a man a few rows back. Rae, who receives
nothing more than expenses for these sessions, has seen a man in the
"spirit world". He thinks it might be the subject's father. The man
nods and Rae continues.












































NEW REGULATIONS
















Aimed at unfair sales and marketing practices











Follow EU directive











Will need approval by Parliament











Centre on "reasonable expectations of the average consumer"











Persistent breaches punishable by enforcement order











Breach of order punishable by two years in prison or fine







































 


The medium describes the man's father as jolly and there is agreement
from the subject. Now Rae sees a name. George. But the man knows no
George. "Georgette?" No, the man replies.

Then the medium wants to establish where the man's
father is from. He sees a link to Jamaica. No, says the man. Now Rae
sees the word "Windward". The Windward Isles, he tentatively ventures.
No, says the man again. But Rae is unperturbed. He guesses that the man
is from an island. No again.

Then Rae has a purple patch. He asks about the name
Gregory. The man's brother is called Gregory. And he infers that the
man's father died of prostate cancer, which is correct. The subject
comes from Washington DC and his family have been there for
generations. But he is inspired by Rae's references to his brother and
father and seems totally convinced.






Talking to Rae, it is immediately apparent that he has a strong and genuine belief in what he is doing.












Healing hands








Another person who is concerned over the new rules is Alison Lyndle, a
spiritual healer, shaman and "space clearing consultant" who operates
out of an anonymous interwar mock Tudor house in Harrow.

Contrary to the cliche of the heavily bejewelled
healer, Lyndle's hands are unadorned with rings. And yet she, and the
people who come to see her, believe they have the power to heal.

The patient lies on a GP surgery style bed as Lyndle
lays hands on the patient's head for more than half an hour. Hearing
just the chirping of birds and the gentle thrum of the central heating
boiler turning on and off, it is easy to see how both sceptic and
believer would feel better afterwards.






















"I agree that there needs to be something in place to stop people who
are fraudulent," she says. "I get e-mails from people from time-to-time
saying they have paid thousands of pounds to people."






But she says that she fears that the law would open up the possibility that sceptics could make malicious complaints.





David McEntee-Taylor and his wife Carole have set up the Spiritual
Workers Association to protect people like Lyndle and Rae and campaign
against the new regulations.

McEntee-Taylor is particularly worried about the effect
on spiritualist churches, many of which are held in impromptu venues
which must be paid for.

And he is not happy about having to start religious
services with a disclaimer, something that most religions would give
short shrift to.






"If you believe why should there be a disclaimer? Why should it be different for us?"





And yet the established religious body, the Spiritualists' National
Union - which claims 100,000 adherents - seems unconcerned by the
imminent change in the law.

Minister Steven Upton, a spiritual healer and the
movement's public relations head, says regulation to tackle fraudsters
is welcome.

"We don't understand why people are protesting. If you
are claiming you can prove life after death you've got a problem. We
never guarantee it is going to work. Trained mediums don't make false
claims."









Anecdotal evidence












Psychologist Prof Richard Wiseman has spent 15 years investigating psychics, healers and mediums and is unconvinced.





"Anecdotal evidence on their abilities is impressive, but if you put it
under more scientific conditions, their claims tend to crumble. [Now]
they will need to be able to justify the claims they are making."






But there are many ordinary people who will continue using mediums, and they come from diverse backgrounds.





Lorraine Crighton-Smith, 27, a journalist from London, saw a medium
four years ago when a friend invited one to her house to do readings
for a group of seven, professional, 30-something women.

"He asked 'who's William, who's Bill?'. I replied,
'he's my dad' and he said 'something's going to happen to your dad
sweetheart'.

"I suppose I did worry for a while but I was more
impressed he had mentioned a name familiar to me than I was concerned.
He was spot on when he was talking about what I was like, my
personality traits."

The Office of Fair Trading says enforcement of the new
regulations will not target sessions like this or churches, instead
being more likely to be used against foreign mass mailshot fraudsters
extracting large sums of money.






But despite the protestations of officialdom, the medium community has enough foresight to see potential problems ahead.




 
 
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From: ScariMari33
04/19/2008 17:36:16

Well, if it puts Derek Acorah out of business, that is at least one positive!!


But you know, this is going to be darn hard to prosecute, as everything about the world of spirit and communications is nothing if not subjective.


Anyway, good luck to you all in England, and keeps us updated about what happens.



From: lemberger
04/18/2008 16:21:14

Hiya ridge!!!!!  Glad to see you back, missed you tons, but you know that already.  


     I've heard about this and find it very interesting.  I can see trying to weed out the charlatans and heck, I could go so far as to say it's a government conspiracy theory.  I mean, if you talk to dead people, why not someone more influental, like some kings, queens and dead presidents.


     You know prohibition didn't work either.  If people want to talk to the dead, they'll find away.  I guess that would also go for ghost tours over there.  I know here, they always tag it with  "for entertainment purposes only".


     Maybe someone from parliament got a bad reading.



From: Ridgerunner
04/18/2008 12:44:09

yes, you do have proof nitewing.

As
long as you do not charge money to speak to the dead you are just fine
as far as this new law is concerned. I am assuming it could also
include people who charge for ghost investigations if they want to get
picky about it. I wonder what this will do to 'Most Haunted', they earn
money from the paranormal and all the other paranormal commercial
hanger ons who do the convention circuit and give readings or speak to
the dead on the air or in public auditoriums. Like Derek Acorah. It
will be interesting if this will 'clean up' the paranormal
investigation community as well over here and stop all the 'I am a
famous ghost hunter' syndrome and you need to pay me lots of money to
hear me speak about the dead.

It
seems a bit over the top, but over here the witch laws have only been
gone for a few years when you think about it. It is the clause; 

all forms of
paid-for paranormal activities 

That
makes me see it as causing problems for more than just mediums,
clairvoyants spiritualists. It could seep into the investigating field
that we are all interested in and shut doors to investigations.

 So
to investigate a location and do EVPs you will have to first prove that
it is haunted before you can gather evidence to prove it is haunted. Like Regan said, what if they talk to us first?

Hey,
Cathie girl and wildflower, I have been in dementia hell but I now have
my mom in assisted living and have risen from Betty's Basement. It is
good to be back.


From: Regan
04/18/2008 12:14:23

Ridge -


I was totally flabbergasted when I read this after you had emailed it to me. All I could do was shake my head the whole time. At least with this quote; 

The Office of Fair Trading says enforcement of the new regulations will not target sessions like this or churches, instead being more likely to be used against foreign mass mailshot fraudsters extracting large sums of money.


There may be some hope that they are only targeting Ms. Cleo's and their Psychic Friends Networks. I agree that some of them need to be totally shut down. But as a sensitive, mandating and regulating who comes to visit me is a bloody joke.


What's next, ticketing violators on the others side for attempting to communicate with the living?



From: nitewing
04/18/2008 12:05:29
Don't bother me.  I got proof they can speak back!



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