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Is it me or is the division between Ghost hunting, and Paranormal investigations becoming the new Hatfield's and the McCoy (a big feud, for those who are too young to remember that one)? There must be, a faction of new people who are interested in, or simply just watching the growing groups out there. Can you imagine what is going on in their minds, oh yes add the TV shows to that soup as well. I have a few years in this thing and sometimes I get confused! To the Americans will one side become the democratic, party and one the Republicans? To the Britt's, one the labor (labour) party, or the Conservative Party? The Australian's the Australian Labor Party, or the National party, I hope you get the point (this is not a Poly Sci. lesson). What I hope to show is the world wide diversity that makes up the paranormal community. We have just about every spiritual belief and religion, including the total lack of each, we have scientist, psychics, mediums, healers, observers, the list goes on and on! Now here is the question! Are some of us not doing anything to further research and understanding? We are folks! Even the make believe, out for money and fame, jerks are serving a purpose! What is it? They should give us 2 things, one is a knowledge of how "not to" do something! Two is a point of reference showing the truly gifted people out there, (verses the "look at me" type). TV shows no matter how hokey, have brought many people into our community even if it is just an interest. That is how or why inventor's invent! There is a market out there. Some one asked about the Ovilus, do most of you have a clue what this is? To me it is a toy for the (got to have everything hunter). What will come from this is unknown, is it the forerunner for some new really usable, and respected device? My point is that, yes even you couch potatoes have a place. We need Ghost hunters, and Paranormal Investigators who, do it different ways. Some with all the electronic equipment they can find, and some with a camera and the seat of their pants! Sure some of the experiences, and data collected won't go anywhere! Where in any, other field does everything get used? I've said this before, take 6 psychics into an area/ house/ building, where we are sure paranormal activity is rampant! Start a fresh set of videos, recordings, and photos each time. My bet is you will get 6 different renditions of what is in there! Do it scientifically, don't tell anyone anything (no front loading). Interview each separate from the other, use a base set of questions to collect your answers, and of course get gut reaction in each ones own words. Six psychics, six stories! Who is wrong? Why do any of them have to be wrong? What if each one saw a different layer, of energies? Can any of you prove that isn't the case? Couch potatoes, give them the data collected and let them watch, my guess is they have a finely tuned eye for catching things on TV? The point is lets use who we have to do the best we can! Develop the theories that say even orbs that appear to be dust could be, novice, or newby spirit energies, who are told to go out there and act like the dust till you get the hang of it? I'm not making fun folks who can prove that isn't the situation? I'm glad we all don't think alike this would be a boring place if it were that way! Some of us could stop copy and pasting our blogs at least at the level you need a PhD to understand. If you are going to plagiarize find an easy read for all of us, will you. Even those folks can set up a sub group for people who want to read someone else's thoughts all the time, and can understand it! I like to try to write where, I make you think, and anyone can understand, and even then I put my foot in my mouth! My point is we have a world wide group, let's try to understand where each one of us is coming from. If you need to fight I will set up a group for strictly arguments! We have a growing community, great blogs, and blog space wasted on personal stuff, like who is talking down to who? I'm not looking for political correctness, just lets try to stay on task with why we are here! Most undesirable will, if we leave their writing alone and don't comment they get the point and leave, or change their attitude! This has happened many times, already! They must have an audience, or it is like that thing where the tree fall in the woods! Talk to me please tell me what you think! Just remember! I love sarcasm, so as I like to say "DON'T START NUTTIN, WON'T BE NUTTIN"! That folks, is not intended for those of us who are confused, it is asking for some to not challenge my intelligence! I really want to hear what you got to say, and humor is not only accepted it is graded! So now Beat me! P. S. If no one responds I might just think you want me to leave! I did say that didn't I! LOL! (nervously) Look for this in the forum as well in case I get caught in the middle of someone's slapping contest! Steve
Tags: Ghost Hunter Or Investigator
Stoughton, Wisconsin's THE GRAND HOTEL LEGACY A story of ghosts and spirits within these walls By Vicky J Elsing Imagine, if you will, a building built in the late 1800's. Having ben (along the way), a hotel, a brothel, the site of suspected murders, among other thing too numerous to mention. Now loaded with family heirlooms, each possibly with a spirit attachment. Just a look at the cover makes you want to know more! I haven't felt the desire (for a long time) to get behind a new author before Vicky Elsing. She has just finished a book about her building in Stoughton Wisconsin. I have known her for several years, and among others I pushed her to write this book. The building has a rich history, and she bought it with no real knowledge of the paranormal. I think you will get some interesting reading, as well as a look at 11 or 12 different groups that have investigated her store. You will see the difference in not only investigative technics, but personalities, and maybe a few egos. I think we all suffer from some of this and her book might just show you we aren't alone. I'll be sending this out to my over 1200 friends, so you might want to order it for a first printing. It is an easy read, and I think you will enjoy it. I have reviewed so many EVP's, and photos from different groups, that I feel like part of her family. She doesn't presume to be an expert, quite the opposite "in fact". Vicky bring a fresh, raw, honest, depiction of both her Ghost family, along with her family and friends, as well as a growing list of paranormal groups, psychic mediums, authors, just plain people, down to her 2 dogs! She would tell me so many times that the publisher, was writing it wrong, and she stayed with it to make sure it is what she wrote! I hope you at least take a look! Steve
Tags: Grand Hotel Legacy
Congratulations!!!! You have just proved that there is something other than the 3 dimensions! Whether you have been searching for the truth for a life time or just a few years, you have made it!!!
OK so now what? Call the new media? They can't get much of anything correct, mostly because they aren't interested in the truth, more a slant on the story that fits their own opinions. Oh yea then one of them will call the Amazing Randi, hell he did offer 1 million for proof (under laboratory conditions)! Ok lets say you make it thru that grinder and have collected your million dollars, you might even have 30% of the news castors (or opinion Castors), so now what?
How about writing a book? I guess it would depend on what exactly you have proved, it could be a short book! Let's say you have proved that there is a plane where the dead soul's have to pass through on their new journey? Here is a possibility for you book. "I have been able to repeatedly visit the plane of the dead" (We formally thought of it as the astral plane), but you have just proved that it is a super highway for dead people to take on their journey. Since the world census puts the number of (freshly) dead people at 60,000 a day, 420,000 a week, this would be a great place to have a McDonalds! (Don't laugh, if there is someway to figure out how to take astral credit cards McDonald will find it)!
Back to the subject matter of your book. First paragraph, The death plane does exist! Some 60,000 souls pass by every 24 hours! Since we have been able to prove it's existence we have been able to open communications. If we could get the dead to pass by in and orderly procession that would be about 42 souls a minute. There would be exception, like the day the Tsunami killed over 200,000. But for our book lets use 42 a minute. Second paragraph, We were able to talk to some of these dead souls. (Ok so what would you ask?), How did you die? The answer to about 50% of these folks was I'M DEAD? OMG! Some might say I kept fighting the disease but it won out! A few would be we were fighting a battle, and all the sudden there was a bright light. I knew he was driving too fast, or tell someone my husband killed me?
Pretty soon it might sound like there are only so many souls who even had a clue they were dead, and less who knew how they died. OK Third paragraph, They just keep coming, and coming! I can see some of them stopping along the way to look in on living people, who are trying to communicate with ghosts, or spirits. We have ventured along the plane to some of these stopping areas to see what was going on. One place was an abandoned hospital of sorts! (Maybe Waverly), or some prison. There was a group in there taking pictures, and using recording devices? The questions were like, is there anybody there? I could see the spirit look around at the thousands of dead souls passing by and say, YESSSS! Then someone would ask can you give us a sign? The spirit would knock on something. It was amazing! OK fourth paragraph...............
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....., Did we talk about most of these souls didn't know they were dead, ? Oh Yea, sorry! End of paragraph 4!
I know that sounds a bit dramatic, but what would you do if you proved the existence of the paranormal? Could you expand on your discovery to find more things exist, who would finance it? Would you get a TV show, only if you are TV show material? Could you get someone to publish your 10-20 page book? You could Start looking towards the sky's, or Cryptozoology? My guess is that you would be off to some remote wilderness, or swamp, maybe buy a new telescope for radio waves and optics. While someone else over dramatizes your discovery, to keep the public interested, (or sell products)!
Of course you would finance, you new exploration on the million dollars you got from James Randi. You would have to be putting all of this work on a credit card while you wait for your Check!
What would you do?
If it was me, my next letter would be that James Randi was filing bankruptsy
Steve
Sleep Paralysis, Night terrors, a visit from some Demon or the Devil himself? Alien abduction. Nothing in any of those words to comfort us when it happens to us, or someone we love. So many researchers will just write it off to something paranormal, even a prelude to a possession. I usually am the one who says don't just write thing off to some logical, or scientific, debunking. I understand that all orbs are not spirits but all dust or moisture or pollen are not always the only explanation. Sometimes it might just damn well be a spirit.
Sleep paralysis however gets way too much paranormal press. Stories like; All I could move was my eyes, it was as if something was draining my battery! I couldn't move, and the spirit energy was right there and I could feel it sucking the life out of me, so that it could materialize. I was taken to a space ship and probed! OK maybe once in a while this could be the case. But for most and I mean most! Are explainable if we understand the different degrees of sleep.
I am going to name these for our purposes of this article, some of the different degrees will be listed under the correct names but some might be my words.
The first would be Day dreaming, a condition that takes us into a dream like state if only for a second but still allows us to function completely, maybe not at full speed and a little distracted but still capable to snap out of it and move on!
The second state is functional, have you ever pulled into work, home, or anywhere else, and thought how the hell did I get here? You can rack your brain but you can't remember one instance of your trip! (some people do this too often)
The third is unwinding sleep, this one gets slipped over too much because we are exhausted, and go right past it. For me this is where I visualize the problems of the day and slowly let them go. Either by releasing each situation or visualizing how I want to kill the ones who really need it!!! LOL! Just kidding calm down! It is a great place to go as you meditate.
Fourth is a deep sleep but still one we can be wakened out of! Kinda like that adage sleeping with one eye open! This is the one where people with sleep apnea's wills have our breathing or sometimes our heart beat stop, and it throws up to that "jumped straight up" thing we do sometimes.
Next is the true sleep REM sleep. Rapid Eye Movement! This is where we actually have our minds shut off all our functions, but our brain is running wide open. Except for breathing, and our organs was are in a state of paralysis, we are shut down for repairs. This paralysis is explained as a body function that occurs so we don't act out on our dreams! This is where involuntary astral projections occur. Since you are already in a state of paralysis, and you slip out of your body, you can very well see someone there. This is where we believe this is a demon sucking everything out of us. When it could be one of your spirit guides who is just chatting with you. It can feel like an attack. If someone like a child's Mother, was to witness this, it could be seen a an attack. And very scary!
If this happens the best way to keep your sanity, is to concentrate on moving one finger or toe, not everything at once. As you wake up you will be able to move the finger than everything else. If you are witnessing this function, don't panic! use the calmest voice you can find so that the child or person isn't scared to death. If this doesn't occur we will slip back into the fourth state of sleep then the third and so on and so on. That if course is in a perfect world! Smilin...
It is quite possible for 2 people to have this happen while in bed together so again, don't freak! If you were talking about someone who just died, or a movie, or book then go to sleep it is possible for both to be in or near the same place. Since most married people never do any of these things you might not have to worry. I have had discussions with many people who saw a dead loved one during a time when they had just died, this could be the wraith and not paralysis.
It is with a cool head we can figure things out! Do the best you can as it happens, but if you can't find a calmness then try to just pray. I would rather wake up seeing someone praying over me than looking like I'm dead!! And remember not all of this type of behavior can be written up to biological functions. Some people have had abductions and later found what seem to be tiny transmitter's implanted
Years ago there was a theory (that became a fad) on what was called transcendental meditation. This led to out of body experiences. Then it was believed that there was a silver thread, or cord that was the bread trail back to your own body. It was feared that if someone was to wake you too fast or jerk you this thread could be broken. This led to a possible explanation for some catatonic patients. Remember as we evolve things change, but some of the old thinking could still be out there, truly scaring some into not wanting to be part of it any more. Unfortunately once the door is open you cant just keep it shut, so some of these folks are prime candidates for off base experiences, like everything is out to get them now! ;
Remember that blog I wrote about how to keep house flies out of your house and how to keep your banana's from becoming a home for hundreds if not Thousands of fruit flies? Well here is another one!
Are you tired of those lingering coughs, and chest congestion, that don't let us sleep very well. There is an answer to Nyquil, without the drowsiness, and who wants to give your Children or Grand children all that drug! I have shared this with about 10 family and friends who all say it allowed them sleep a lot better, and wake up feeling like something was working on their cold all night long. Vicks Vaporub, Most of us had that rubbed on our chest as kids, and those of you who might be old enough to remember it is a menthol vapor rub. Works kinda like Vicks cough drops. Here is the twist, apply it to the bottoms of your feet, and cover with (white) socks, and go to bed. It is a biological fact that if you rub Garlic on your soles, within 10-15 minutes you will have Garlic Breath. That being known, this vapor rub get really deep and doesn't rub off like it did on your chest.
While I don't think this is a cure for anything, is has worked consistently, with the people I know and so far that is from a 2 yr. old - a 70 (something man) with pneumonia, while he was on antibiotics this offer some relief. Just so we are clear I say Vicks so you know what I mean, Any store brand will do the same thing.
Steve
I got this one from Vicky in WI who most of us know and love so I wanted to add it too! Vicky said she hasn't tried it yet as there is 7 ft of snow outside her house, not too many mosquitos are hungry during that! If it doesn't work you might get a lot do compliments on your breath so it has some merit anyway!!
Thanks Vicky!!
Subject: Fw: Mosquitoes Listerine!
Not sure if this really works, but it can't hurt to try it. Vicky
The best way of getting rid of mosquitoes is Listerine,
the original medicinal type. The Dollar Store-type works,
too. I was at a deck party awhile back, and the bugs
were having a ball biting everyone. A man at the party
sprayed the lawn and deck floor with Listerine, and the
little demons disappeared. The next year I filled a
4-ounce spray bottle and used it around my seat
whenever I saw mosquitoes. And voila! That worked
as well. It worked at a picnic where we sprayed the
area around the food table, the children’s swing area,
and the standing water nearby. During the summer, I
don’t leave home without it.....Pass it on.
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OUR FRIEND'S COMMENTS:
I tried this on my deck and around all of my doors. It works -
in fact, it killed them instantly. I bought my bottle from Target
and it cost me $1.89. It really doesn't take much, and it is a
big bottle, too; so it is not as expensive to use as the can of
spray you buy that doesn't last 30 minutes. So, try this,
please. It will last a couple of days. Don't spray directly on a
wood door (like your front door), but spray around the frame.
Spray around the window frames, and even inside the dog
house if you have one.....hey, that would sure freshen up a dog house:)
Imagine what it was like just 20 years ago. We almost had to go over the river and through the woods, for holidays. We have so much more available to us today, in the way of communication. Today we don't think of calling someone in another part of the country or even another country, and chatting the night away. I remember long distance costs of $.30 a minute (and that was a good price).
Then along came the Internet, remember all the relationships that broke up when someone who was truly bored with a marriage would meet someone on line, and what seemed to be a whole new side to life blossomed. I saw a few of my friends crushed by this same thing. I'm not sure if the folks who did it were doing something just to hurt the other, but they sure did. For all I know there might be lots of this going on today still.
What has also evolved is groups like this one, where we can flirt, joke, and be down right serious on just about any topic. Do I want to marry most of the women I meet? Well Hell yes, at least at first!!! I, or any of us, can fantasize about this person typing these words to me, just me! I have no idea what someone looks like until they send me a picture, and even then you really don't know if this is really who you are talking to. It's a fantasy remember!! I hope you do remember that before breaking up with your loved one, or selling everything to make the (wrong) move of a lifetime.
Well once I get over the "'I love her" part, I love to read and write and sometimes even talk on the phone to this person or persons. Usually having met on a group you belong to you have some common interests other than finding your soul mate. I can tell you that we are truly friends, closer because of the Internet, which allows us to visit when we can, and not miss much.
Through out the year we have several holidays that fit very nicely into our Internet lives. Halloween, Wow this seems to be the one made for the online friends. Not to many of us would have time to meet as a group to tell stories, or look at the findings of someone's investigation, things like EVP's, photos, and someone's personal experiences. Hell we have to work, decorate the house, give out treats, parties, haunted house, hay rides to get that perfect pumpkin!!! Once all is caught up, and we have a few minutes for us, we can go to our group and listen (EVP's), view (photos), read of experience, both old and new. We do this at our leisure, maybe 2:00 AM, what does it matter everyone else in the group is asleep. Some of us start sending the Halloween emails, and downloads out a month early, extending the season as much as Walmart does! Great online holiday!!! Maybe the best! I think (at least for me).
Christmas is number 2, on the best online holidays. Along about Thanksgiving we get up from the holiday meal and get ready for the shopping season. Not me remember the kamikaze shopping trip I wrote about? Lots of us find the holiday backgrounds, and start shaking the dust off the decorations in out attics. We also shake out the holiday emails we got last year, wanting to add some new too but the old stuff goes out right away. Poems, songs, videos, wonderful stories, Letters from soldiers that put a lump in my throat.
The biggest difference between Halloween, and Christmas is, I can get by on not meeting all my friends for the scary part. This the holiday I want to get together with all of you, to hug, and laugh, and sample all the personal recipes that are only brought out of the closet once a year for Christmas. I would say to sing songs, but you got a better chance of seeing god (tonight) than hearing me sing!!! I would chant if you bring a drum!! Well that's another story!
I want you wish you the best holidays that I can wish for you. Not all of us celebrate Christmas in a religious way, but the fun of giving, and to see the magic in a young kids eyes, makes me ponder why this is getting to be something no one wants to talk about? I know the history of the season, and yes, Yule, and Hanukkah, are a lot older celebrations than (our) Christmas. At least the Christmas I'm talking about. Christian celebrate the birth of Jesus on December 25 th, but he was not born anywhere near that date. I say celebrate it however you choose!!! I just see something come over a lot of people this time of the year! Well, once you get in the mall out of the traffic!! Or maybe it should be called Death race 2007.
Remember our Soldiers, and our loved ones and friends who are dealing with sickness, loneliness, or maybe having to spend the holiday at some ones side who is need!!
Bake that family heritage recipe, that Grandma left you, and trust me she will smell it an come a running!!! I feel the most family activity during these holidays, so if you are alone get out he stuff you kept from each love one who has crossed over! They got time to visit!
Merry Christmas, Merry Yule, Happy Hanukah, Have a safe and wonderful day!!!
Do you have some long handed down tradition, or recipe that only gets used this time of the year? I would love to hear about it, I think times like that draw us closer as a family too even across the miles.
My family, continues a tradition that started after the death of our Dad. We used to meet at Moms on Christmas Eve, Have refreshments (those dishes and cakes that everyone calls their specialty) Gift are exchanged, mostly for the kids, but this is that one day of the year no one has an excuse for not coming. All our differences aside we have a great evening, then go to out individual families for the opening of Santa's gifts!!!
I wish I could be with you to share in this festive time, but this email will be what I used to fill a chair in your Christmas.
Merry Christmas, Etc.
Steve
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Here is one thing that has always messed with my thinking. Do spirit energies know each other? I sometimes wonder if some of the residual energies are here looking for someone. Maybe the person who was in the car when it crashed. Could the soldiers, in the confusion still be looking for their unit, or a buddy?
What about what we call intelligent energies. Are they still here just to see things that were important to them. I believe that some of this type energy has an attachment to a place or maybe something they kept near and dear when living. Today we are (we hope), learning more and more about what could be on the other side of this life. Will we carry that knowledge with us?
Thinking back thru the generations life was so different than it is now. There was no time for things like studying the paranormal. If you used that word around most of our parents or grandparents, they would have no idea what you were talking about. Spirituality in those days was Church services on Sunday morning. Our world today allows us time after church to rest, visit, or maybe talk about things. In their day you had to go to Church, and still feed the animals, bring in the firewood, Make a big Sunday meal, things we don't have to do to survive now. How many times have you heard of a married couple so close to each other that one dies and within 2 weeks the other dies? Are they still together?
You hear psychics tell people that you mother is here and she has you baby with her. Sometimes they will say that a pet is there with them. I sure hope that is the case, but I don't feel like it is the truth as much as an attention getter to sell tickets (so to speak). I did have an investigation of a house I call the house of murder. The family was killed by the father who then killed himself. When I go in there I can feel the kids running around. That activity was so strong that it felt like I was on a boat in rough seas. We looked at the video and orbs (I know that dirty word) were flying around me like a swarm of bees. It was February so it wasn't bugs!
I have always thought (when we get weird messages) that an energy is trying to get to you could be mixed up with other spirit energies communication.
Anyone here that has had something that would make us think spirits travel together?
Sometimes I get so lost around things going on between other people that I feel like I'm married again. When I read these blogs that tell of people selling each other down the river, and what sounds like serious backstabbing going on, I get lost. For years I developed that (white tail deer) in your headlights look, where I would freeze and hope I didn't get smashed. I feel as lost here as I did when I was away working 14-16 hours a day on an out of town job and still caused intense problems at home? I agree with the comment Alan made on integrity, loyalty in friends, and most of what he said. I just don't know what is going on? Ego's have and will be part of our lives, people stepping on others for personal gain is greed. Why there would be such things in something that we at best can call a hobby, is incomprehensible to me?
I have seen some what might be best called packs of wild dogs go through here. We as a group spit them out and kept moving, something that will continue along this group's forward movement (I think). It might be better off if we just see that type of behavior as jealousy. This group has a comradery that should stand the test of time and a few assholes. I got several inquires yesterday and today asking if I could get on the group? The concern was that Alan had pulled the plug? I thought what the hell did I miss?
I now know what I will ask Santa for this year! I want a place where I can go and see the displays of greed and ego's, along with the underlying statements (with explanations) so that I, and we can keep up with the underbelly of our group. I, (for one) don't read between the lines very well, so if this is that type thing, please help!!! Had I been any better ant that I might still be married!! (NOT!!!)
As we say down here in the south!
Y'all behave yourselves
Steve
I'm not sure if any one else see this phenomenon or not, but it has happened in the town I live in for years. It's like a scene out of the Shining, but is as real as I am.
A normal year has 365 day's in it, unless it is leap year, but it still happens on those years too. It has to be mystical, almost spiritual possession, at least in my case. There is no rhyme or reason for it other than a spiritual take over. Each year it is occurs on a different day of the week, doesn't matter if it is a full moon. Rain or shine, warm or cold, it comes anyway. Speaking strictly for myself (this might be one of those secrets) I feel it during the day but as the day moves to evening, the urge is so strong it would be hard to fight, not that I would want it to. For years I didn't pay much attention to it, but then I noticed the same faces each year. These are not people I knew, from anywhere else, just this mysterious gathering. No one is doing anything weird, there is almost a party mood. People who normally never speak are throwing up their hands, welcoming me like I was part of reinforcements to starving troops.
For a while it was hard to get a bearing on this (weird) gathering, as not everyone you see is part of it. I can only say it happens at the place I am drawn to, it might happen in other places but I feel the draw to my spot.
What is it? Kamikaze Christmas shopping!!!! I named it that because I have only one mission, and depending on the crowd this could become dangerous. Who is entering my body, and the bodies of others causing me to go to this meeting? I have written it off as the Ghost of Christmas! For 20+ years, on Christmas Eve. I venture to the local Mall, on a mission, one that could be easily avoided with just a little more planing.
I have never been someone who reads between the lines, hints don't get through. I need clear directions on what to buy everyone for Christmas. Other holidays you will be shopping for one or two, but on this day you have to (or want to) give, give, give! So did I pay attention to the hints thru out the year? I can't remember what I had for supper yesterday. That is the beauty of this gathering, this seems to hit many men at the same time each year, and the only place I ever see them is at the Mall, December 24th. any year! When I walk into the Hallmark store you will see guy who you have no idea who they are holding up cards telling you to come look at this one!!!!
The mission that Kamikaze shopping hinges on getting whatever you can for under the tree. Yes it would be lovely to get something really wanted, but usually there is not much left. I could be at Sears and a voice over the loud speaker says 10 left we have slashed the price, (again, who cares what it is). So (again depending on the crowd) you might have to dive bomb into a table to get you share of the spoils. Wrong size, or color? Who cares, they can take it back!
Very few rule at a time like this, but the main one is NO CORDS for the lady in your life. Buying something with an electric cord on it could get you thrown over side upon landing back on the carrier. Jewelry is a safe bet, but I still think this is what seems to fill up her jewel box with stuff she didn't have the heart to tell you it was junk and smiles and has a great day anyway, as long as there was no electric cords!
Lately I have been wondering if these men are ghosts? I would say there are anywhere from 75 - 100 guys you feel like you know on this mystical night, so how is it I never see them again until next Christmas eve? It might be interesting to take a camera and see if these guys are solid or just a wisp of Ectoplasm. A word of caution most of these guy look like construction worker so picture might get you killed!!!!
Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, Happy winter solstice, and for those of you who have no belief in a Creator, Have a nice day!
Steve &nbs p;
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